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Old 08-07-2007, 01:55 PM
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Very good synapsis of the differences in detectors. lets not forget that the prices on some brands are do to low production volume more than any actual technology benefit over another brand. I love the Ace 250 but for me it would be a step backwards, the only thing wrong with mine is sometimes a slow recovery, easy to force though with a button push, what it does do is force my young athletic pace to be slowed therefore, allowing me to find more items. Technology today is such that a $200 machine eighty to ninety percent of the time will match the dug production(notice I did not say performance) of the $800-1000 machine. Just my 2 cents.
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Indian Head:............. 0
Nickels:.................... 4
Silver Nickels:............ 0
Dimes:...................... 9
Silver Rosy Dimes:...... 0
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Old 08-07-2007, 02:10 PM
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IF a person is specifically detecting for coins-then they must on occasion stumble upon relics?-metal relics with similar oxidation(and size) as coins have?--
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Old 08-07-2007, 02:17 PM
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Yes they can be similar but, most rusted objects will have a signal that verries and when in pinpoint mode you can get a feel for the size of the object.
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Pennies:................... 13
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Indian Head:............. 0
Nickels:.................... 4
Silver Nickels:............ 0
Dimes:...................... 9
Silver Rosy Dimes:...... 0
Silver Mercury Dimes:.. 0
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Old 08-07-2007, 03:49 PM
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...to talking with you in person (telephone) when you return to the USA!

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I read several times what you wrote-and I understand a lot of it--once I decide where I will return to live in USA-whether it be inland or near the sea-I will ask for your advice on which detector is most practical for the type of hunting -and soil conditions-I will be in ----the only detecting I ever did was on the beach in 1994-with a Whites Eagle-and I found a lot of coins-and I found one gold mens ring with a ruby stone also on the beach--on the little detector screen, it said 'nickel'-and I dug anyway and found that ring--did it say 'nickel' because there was different metal alloys in the ring? ie, some nickel metal?----Thank you for your help-----
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Old 08-07-2007, 04:16 PM
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...in opinion are always welcome. I have to question your statement on prices due to "low production volume". The ACE 250 aside, and notwithstanding, as it was and is a very high tech machine internally, with a retail set by Garrett for political reasons, at a loss leader price point. The ACE 250 pricing is an anomaly from a price standpoint.

Otherwise, pricing is generally very accurately reflective of design technology and performance capability.

"The Dug Performance" as you put it depends very heavily on the experience of the detector operator, and not as heavily on the machine's technology.

However, having said that, if one is going to spend hours upon hours, walking and digging hundreds of holes, & filling them up again, getting down on one's knees to recover a target, and up again time after time, they certainly would want the absolute best performing and well designed metal detector that they can afford to purchase. Not to mention a machine that is more likely to not miss the good targets that others have walked over.

Do not be fooled folks...regardless of what you might of heard before...metal detectors are not created equal. Like many commodities in our lives....some just plain work better than others! The reason? Excellent design, high tech circuitry, and quality in manufacturing. Those are the determining factors that set the price points in the metal detector industry.


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Very good synapsis of the differences in detectors. lets not forget that the prices on some brands are do to low production volume more than any actual technology benefit over another brand. I love the Ace 250 but for me it would be a step backwards, the only thing wrong with mine is sometimes a slow recovery, easy to force though with a button push, what it does do is force my young athletic pace to be slowed therefore, allowing me to find more items. Technology today is such that a $200 machine eighty to ninety percent of the time will match the dug production(notice I did not say performance) of the $800-1000 machine. Just my 2 cents.
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Old 08-07-2007, 05:25 PM
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Well put Chuck, and trust me I would rather have a Minelab Explorer SE, but for various reasons I do not. I like the manual ground balance and other features of the 3300 so much so that I would need a detector step would have to be in the midlevel range ($500-$800) for any actual improvement other than speed at which the machine can process data, which then may corelate to swing speed and in turn ground covered. I liken it to cars, detector technology has progressed to the point of this, if you can drive, any will get you there, some a little faster, some a little smoother, some a little quieter, but they all get you to where you are going.

PS. The 3300 does false some at the highest sensitivity levels but most do when set to max sensitivity.
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Pennies:................... 13
Wheats:................... 0
Indian Head:............. 0
Nickels:.................... 4
Silver Nickels:............ 0
Dimes:...................... 9
Silver Rosy Dimes:...... 0
Silver Mercury Dimes:.. 0
Quarters:.................. 5
Dollar Coins:.............. 0
.............................. 30

Total :............. $ 02.48

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Old 08-07-2007, 05:25 PM
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Well put Chuck, and trust me I would rather have a Minelab Explorer SE, but for various reasons I do not. I like the manual ground balance and other features of the 3300 so much so that I would need a detector step would have to be in the midlevel range ($500-$800) for any actual improvement other than speed at which the machine can process data, which then may corelate to swing speed and in turn ground covered. I liken it to cars, detector technology has progressed to the point of this, if you can drive, any will get you there, some a little faster, some a little smoother, some a little quieter, but they all get you to where you are going.

PS. The 3300 does false some at the highest sensitivity levels but most do when set to max sensitivity.
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COIN COUNTER 2008
Pennies:................... 13
Wheats:................... 0
Indian Head:............. 0
Nickels:.................... 4
Silver Nickels:............ 0
Dimes:...................... 9
Silver Rosy Dimes:...... 0
Silver Mercury Dimes:.. 0
Quarters:.................. 5
Dollar Coins:.............. 0
.............................. 30

Total :............. $ 02.48

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Old 08-07-2007, 06:25 PM
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Default You Are Right On Peter...

...if you are looking for a machine in the lower mid-level price range you listed, that is blazingly fast in processing and recovery speed, and the most precise manual ground balance controls and circuits, then look no further than the Tesoro Vaquero or Tesoro Tejon.

Ever since I bought my first Tesoro ElDorado (the older lunch box size ElDorado) I was amazed at how fast it recovered from the null of a rejected target to the positive tone of a good target, and they have only gotten faster since! The ease and accuracy at which they manuallly ground balance is also equally amazing. The ground minerals virtually disappear with a Tesoro.

These Tesoro machines are "LIGHTNING FAST" PROCESSING AND RECOVERING. So fast that I can, at a normal 3-4 second swing speed, pass over a large rusty square nail and then a silver dime less than an inch from the nail, and get a good positive tone on the dime!

These machines are the fastest "gun slingers" on the market. In fact, I have received a "keeper" signal and after digging the 6" or so down, found a brass US Eagle button in the same 8" diameter hole with a square nail.

Nothing beats the Tesoros for processing & recovery speed.


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Well put Chuck, and trust me I would rather have a Minelab Explorer SE, but for various reasons I do not. I like the manual ground balance and other features of the 3300 so much so that I would need a detector step would have to be in the midlevel range ($500-$800) for any actual improvement other than speed at which the machine can process data, which then may corelate to swing speed and in turn ground covered. I liken it to cars, detector technology has progressed to the point of this, if you can drive, any will get you there, some a little faster, some a little smoother, some a little quieter, but they all get you to where you are going.

PS. The 3300 does false some at the highest sensitivity levels but most do when set to max sensitivity.

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