XP Deus Owner Operation Sharing

NJ Bill

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#21
Hey mtbricky,

Congrats on your new XP Deus. The first thing to understand with the Deus is that it's a different animal. You can't use the same knowledge and reasoning you have from using the Minelabs. It's a whole different technology and learning experience. It took me 3 or 4 hunts with the Deus to figure that out (I'm about as sharp as a bowling ball). So I had to change my thinking.

The first thing I did was learn what each setting does on its own and what it's for. Then it started making sense how each setting effects how the other settings perform. This started to help me figure out what combinations work good together in different situations. For example, lowering the sensitivity to get rid of chatter may or may not be the solution for a particular area.

As far as tones, you can set a different tone for different targets... i.e. penny, nickel. dime, quarter.

I recommend getting the Andy Sabisch XP Deus Handbook. He explains everything about the Deus in an easy to understand way.

The more you learn the machine the more you love it. It has so much potential I feel like a whole new world of metal detecting opened up.

Good Luck
 

mtbricky

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#22
Thanks Bill. I am equally dull but pretty patient and very persistent! I haven't gotten back out, but I did some air testing with some different settings. I noticed regardless of the program I ran it didn't seem to get a strong signal past about 6" depth. I know the air test is not the greatest gauge. I'll take your advice on the Andy Sabisch book. Do you run your volume full blast? I've been using about 7 and it gets very faint at depth.
 

NJ Bill

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#23
Thanks Bill. I am equally dull but pretty patient and very persistent! I haven't gotten back out, but I did some air testing with some different settings. I noticed regardless of the program I ran it didn't seem to get a strong signal past about 6" depth. I know the air test is not the greatest gauge. I'll take your advice on the Andy Sabisch book. Do you run your volume full blast? I've been using about 7 and it gets very faint at depth.

Hey mtbricky,

I wouldn't worry about air test depths because there are too many variables involved. Rest assured when you learn all the setting and their effects the Deus is capable of going very deep if you want it to. I have found targets smaller than your baby finger nail more than a foot down.

When you talk about volume I'm assuming you are referring to Audio Response which doesn't work the same way as volume as you know it. Remember this is a different animal.

Audio Response is not like a volume control on other machines that just makes everything louder. Audio Response amplifies the volume of a signal from a target only. So the higher you set it the louder a small deep target will sound. But there are tradeoffs. Let's use your setting of 7, which is the highest it goes, for the purpose of explaining how Audio Response works.

1. At the setting of 7 it does make small deep targets sound louder but it also makes the volume of all targets at all depths the same volume. In other words a target at 8" will have the same volume as a target on the surface. So you are unable to tell the depth by the strength of the signal because they are all the same.

2. You are amplifying everything under the coil which causes chatter and distortion. Using that much amplification is not a good idea unless you are looking for a specific type small deep target in pristine soil. Even then I would not go higher than 5 at tops. The disadvantages start outweighing the advantages.

3. You also have to consider the other settings which will be highly effected by that much amplification.

So when setting Audio Response or any setting for that matter, you have to consider the ground you're hunting in and the other settings you are using. Remember it's all about finding the right combinations for what and where you are hunting.

I know it sounds complicated but it's not. In fact it's pretty easy and fun once you know the purpose of each setting.

The factory programs put combinations together for you and they do work fine. But they are general settings and no general setting can get the maximum potential out of a machine.

To answer your question, most of the time I set the Audio Response the highest I can while keeping the Deus operating at maximum efficiency which is usually 2 or 3.

So hang in there. All of a sudden the light bulb will go on and you will be in heaven.
 

mtbricky

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#24
Thanks Bill for the info, but you are giving me way more credit than I deserve as far as setting up the Deus. I was just talking about the headphone volume (n). I did get out today for a few hours and tried a new program I invented for coin hunting. I got a few pennies (one wheatie) and a nickle. I also had about 19 pull tabs - all old ones with the tail. Obviously I can't give up on nickles as I've never found an old one. In the past I have shamelessly discriminated them out to avoid digging tabs. The good thing is getting some time in listening to the tones. I still have some work to do sorting out the small targets (coins) from the slightly bigger pieces of slaw and rusty iron. I need to get to a site with some more good targets so I can remember what one sounds like!!.
 

NJ Bill

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#25
Thanks Bill for the info, but you are giving me way more credit than I deserve as far as setting up the Deus. I was just talking about the headphone volume (n). I did get out today for a few hours and tried a new program I invented for coin hunting. I got a few pennies (one wheatie) and a nickle. I also had about 19 pull tabs - all old ones with the tail. Obviously I can't give up on nickles as I've never found an old one. In the past I have shamelessly discriminated them out to avoid digging tabs. The good thing is getting some time in listening to the tones. I still have some work to do sorting out the small targets (coins) from the slightly bigger pieces of slaw and rusty iron. I need to get to a site with some more good targets so I can remember what one sounds like!!.
Sorry about the misunderstanding mtbricky. As I mentioned in a previous post (on July 4th, please refer to it) that I did not get the wireless headphones. So I am not familiar with them. So I have to defer to others that have experience with the full wireless headphones for your question on volume. Can anyone help mtbricky with his question? I also would like to know what advantage they give you.
 

NJ Bill

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#26
I did not get the wireless headphones when I bought my XP Deus.

Here's what I do instead: "I use the back phones that came with it and can also use my expensive headphones if I choose. I run the wire inside my shirt and out of the sleeve. Then I put the control box in an arm band and plug the phones in. So I am still completely detached from the shaft and coil and it also allows me to easily read and manipulate the control box settings".

Can anyone give me some insight to any other advantages of the full wireless headphones other then being detached from the shaft and coil.
 

mtbricky

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#27
Bill:
The full wireless headphones can be used to make adjustments on the detector. The control box can be turned off and the detector will still operate as long as the headphones are on. The full range of functions cannot be accessed, but the main ones can (I have not tried making changes from the headphones yet).

I am still waiting on the Sabisch book. In the meantime I am using a program I created and modifying it as I use it and read about the features in other articles. I am using 5 tones and a 12khz frequency. I've been adjusting the tones according to the frequencies/VDI's of some coins I have found over the years and it seems to work pretty well. I'll be curious to see how my program compares to Andy Sabisch coin program and why. I don't understand how things work in combination with each other. As always it all about when NOT to dig!

A couple things I've read about. One is a trick to avoid digging bottle caps (I haven't tried it). If you suspect a bottle cap, switch to the 4khz frequency. If the VDI goes up instead of down, it is iron. I guess iron goes opposite other metals in this regard.

Also there is a setting I read about that I did not see in the user's manual. It causes the VDI to stay consistent as you change between frequencies. That way if you like to use the VDI you only have to remember one set of numbers. It would kind of eliminate the bottle cap trick I described above though!
 

mtbricky

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#28
Well I'm logging some miles on the Deus. I'm starting to learn the language. If it was a real language I'd know enough to order a big mac at McDonalds. I am using the first coin program from the Sabisch book. I also loaded the coin program for trashy areas but I haven't used it much. I guess the next phase will be trying to identify the sounds it makes when a good target is close to a piece of iron or other trash. This is what we bought these things for, right?! (y) Some of the signals sound like two tones harmonizing with each other. I am still digging a fair amount of rusty nails. If I keep passing the coil over them they will usually hit aVDI of 97 or higher and I pass on them, but sometimes they hang in the 94-95 and I dig them. Then I am the proud owner of a rusty nail. Also a lot of rusted nuts and washers - the book says round rusted iron with a hole is problematic. I think the reason I love this machine so much is I can swing it all day - even in the heat. Anyone want to share their coin programs or modifications they have tried from the preset programs?
 

NJ Bill

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#29
Well I'm logging some miles on the Deus. I'm starting to learn the language. If it was a real language I'd know enough to order a big mac at McDonalds. I am using the first coin program from the Sabisch book. I also loaded the coin program for trashy areas but I haven't used it much. I guess the next phase will be trying to identify the sounds it makes when a good target is close to a piece of iron or other trash. This is what we bought these things for, right?! (y) Some of the signals sound like two tones harmonizing with each other. I am still digging a fair amount of rusty nails. If I keep passing the coil over them they will usually hit aVDI of 97 or higher and I pass on them, but sometimes they hang in the 94-95 and I dig them. Then I am the proud owner of a rusty nail. Also a lot of rusted nuts and washers - the book says round rusted iron with a hole is problematic. I think the reason I love this machine so much is I can swing it all day - even in the heat. Anyone want to share their coin programs or modifications they have tried from the preset programs?
Hey mtbricky,

This kind of situation is were setting the Reactivity can help ( Sabisch book page 33 ). Here is a technique I use for this. Raise reactivity setting up to a faster recovery. Then make a one way swing only over the target while watching the VDI. You will usually get two quick readings. If one of them is a good reading I dig it. I find this helps me see and sometimes hear the information better using a one way swing. When two targets are real close together, swinging back and forth can sometimes mangle the information.
 
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